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Populate and Perish 
3rd-Mar-2010 11:19 pm
Why is nobody talking about population and migration? I heard on the radio the other day talking about the Australian population of 40 Million in 2025. Where are all these people going to be living, drinking, eating? The WA mining industry estimates it will need an extra 80,000 workers by 2015? What's the rush? The stuff has waited 20 Million years it can surely wait a little longer and we can seriously look at how we want this country to develop.
I think it's all a con job by the real estate and housing industry and the retail sector which relies on continuing to sell more and more to more and more for the cheapest price and that's why nothing is made in Australia any more.
Do you remember how that load of bullshit was sold to us,"we would buy cheap cloths, tv's etc from overseas and they would buy expensive complex things from us". Surprise Surprise they didn't want any of our complex shit! They only want our minerals, and to educate and keep their kids. Australia the child care capital of the world.
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3rd-Mar-2010 12:32 pm (UTC)
We never made complicated stuff.

Our sycophantic PMs have been too busy touching up the Queen, arselicking the Americans or taking lessons from the Chinese to do anything for us.

For generations we have been a farm, a mine, and a pile of woodchips with leaves on them to not just our markets, but to our UK educated, US influenced or just plain Chinese bought leaders.

We should have dragged in young healthy people from the moment the Baby Boom started to slow down to keep the economy running and provide bottom wipers to the terminally elderly.

3rd-Mar-2010 01:30 pm (UTC)
Australia is pretty much completely empty. Whats wrong with more people living there? You dont really flesh out why you're against creating new natural-resources jobs and homes for those workers.

we can seriously look at how we want this country to develop.

What does that even mean? :\

I think it's all a con job by the real estate and housing industry
No, thats wrong. Its increased immigration from second and third world countries. I don't understand what you're upset about unless you're one of those "We're full" nutjobs~
3rd-Mar-2010 06:00 pm (UTC)
There's pretty serious resource management issues involved in a population much larger than what we have now - which is tbh a serious problem worldwide. It's not just about land mass - most of Australia is largely uninhabitable.

1. Space in cities, there's only so much of it. This leads to infrastructure issues - transportation, residential building planning, service delivery.

2. Natural resources. We don't have a great deal of water and desalination plants, while effective, chew unholy amounts of energy, which forces up electricity prices that were already rising. Then there's food and the ever-increasing trade deficit from all the stuff we need to import that people want to buy.

3. Healthcare, education, etc. These things get more complicated and more expensive as the population grows, which puts pressure on the government's budget and its ability to deliver services, particularly in a resource-driven economy.

4. Immigration. It's a fact that there's cultural tension associated with mass immigration. Australia isn't as racist as some would have you believe, but if we let too many people in there will be irrational anger in some sections of the population.

5. Social effects. These are largely unknown, but pretty much everything that happens has an unintended and unexpected social effect. Significantly increased population is one of the strongest.

It's a massively complicated issue that can't be distilled to a few pop-political talking points. Don't think you have it all figured out because I'd bet big that no one does.
3rd-Mar-2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
The thing is, these problems are not exclusive to Australia. Stopping or slowing progress is not the answer, nor is it a tenable idea. Healthcare and education dont get more complicated. The United States manages education, Canada manages Healthcare with bigger populations than Australia. More immigrants would mean a bigger tax base, by the way~

And point 4 and 5 dont even justify a response, because theyre irrelevant. Every first world nation seems to deal with it just fine, without the "We're full" ignorant backlash that makes Australia look like a bunch of morons.
4th-Mar-2010 02:51 am (UTC)
Sorry to do this, but you can't expect me to take kindly to a vapid response like that. Either do some proper research or shut the fuck up.
3rd-Mar-2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
The figure is actually 35mil by 2050. It is being talked about, The Australian has done a lot of reporting on it and the 7.30 Report did a whole series of special reports on it following the announcement.

Like I said above, it's a massively complicated issue and not one that can be attributed to any one source, as you put it, or solved by one. Don't jump the gun and sound off without considering all the angles.
3rd-Mar-2010 09:58 pm (UTC)
Someone's been listening to talkback radio.
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